Do you like "green crap"?

David Cameron is reported to have recently said we should “get rid of all the green crap”.

Well Liberal Democrats like “green crap”. In fact, we like it so much we are creating 200,000 new green jobs.


Do you like green crap? Tell us why...

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I like "green crap" because...

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  • Robert Chicken
    signed 2013-12-20 10:51:12 +0000
    I like green crap because – well – er – the smell is – er wholesome?

    Seriously though, we have to think long term on this issue. Oil will run out one day, and our descendants will, I am sure, blame us for not having the foresight to make every effort to conserve this valuable commodity.

    Here’s a couple of ideas to reduce fuel consumption on the roads.

    1. Encourage businesses and public sector employers to employ local people. This will reduce the current huge fuel consumption from long-distance commuting. It will also improve the quality of peoples lives in to the bargain

    2. Invest in the development of small hybrid sailing ships. There are over a hundred small ports around the UK which are never used. This is because Container ships (which can carry up to about 5000 containers) offload at major ports, and these containers are then transported by lorries.

    This is a flexible way to get goods to their destination, but very uneconomical.

    Small hybrid sailing ships will get the goods from the major ports to a point close to their destination. This will reduce overall fuel consumption, traffic on the roads, and the pollution they cause.

    (I have a CAD model of hybrid sailing ship design if anyone is interested).
  • A Winser
    signed 2013-12-20 10:44:45 +0000
    because the case for anthropogenic climate change is overwhelming.

    Coalition government green? What an absolutely absurd notion.
  • Chris Stanbra
    signed 2013-12-20 10:36:42 +0000
    …… ain’t crap, its necessary common sense.
  • Richard Ritchie
    signed 2013-12-20 10:29:52 +0000
    Our current consumption rate is unsustainable: we need several world’s worth of resources. And our use of carbon is damaging what we do have. Finally we, the rich, are setting a terrible example to Asia and Africa as they develop.

    We MUST change ourselves and demonstrate a path that Asia and Africa can follow, leading the World back onto a sustainable track. We CAN do it differently, and there is even probably an economic benefit in doing so. But politicians must give the lead and overcome their fears and short-term outlook.

    Please continue to strongly support green measures and not let tehm get dropped for short term and “convenient” reasons. This will not be solved without some pain. Anyone who thinks it can be is a fool. See the latest RSA report on what needs to be done and ideas on the next steps.,-cognition-and-creativity/social-brain/reports/a-new-agenda-on-climate-change
  • cherry denison
    signed 2013-12-20 10:28:09 +0000
    Because our planet is wonderful and we cannot live without a hospitable environment. I don’t want my descendants to curse me because I did nothing to try to preserve it.

    Btw I think it is inadvisable to take up the slogan “green crap”. Although it worked with this email because it made me click indignantly, you run the risk of perpetuating the phrase, to the detriment of the green movement.
  • Ellen Harrison
    signed 2013-12-20 10:27:11 +0000
    It’s so easy to think about the short term: how quickest to get home for Christmas tomorrow; why we need to turn the heating up a few notches because it’s nicer than putting on an extra jumper this evening; how it’s easiest to get rid of all those Brussels sprouts after lunch by just chucking them in the bin… Caring about ‘green crap’ is being aware that if we want a world to exist for future generations, then we’ve got to think and act NOW.
  • Michael Ridout
    signed 2013-12-20 10:26:28 +0000
    We live in it and are part of it. It would be very stupid to degrade it to such a degree that it affects our quality of life or indeed puts an end to it.

    mike ridout. london
  • Paul E G Cope
    signed 2013-12-20 10:23:54 +0000
    Currently we WASTE 30% of the Nation’s total energy to warm the air over power stations. By moving generation into the home all this waste could be saved. No nuclear, no carbon capture, halved gas imports, batter balance of payments, better energy security, better generation margin, no blackouts, less energy cost/house, more UK jobs (eg ENER-G). I WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
  • Nicola Packer
    signed 2013-12-20 10:23:06 +0000
    because ignoring the environment is harming us all.
  • Lawrence Butler
    signed 2013-12-20 10:19:43 +0000
    It’s simple; If we don’t protect the environment, future generations will have, at best, have bleak existence. At worst they will be obliterated along with many other species. The only crap I worry about are the policies of the Conservative party which is owned and operated by big business. Kick them out, crap and all
  • James Burton
    signed 2013-12-20 10:14:35 +0000
    In the longer term everything other than greener options carry higher costs and significant dangers, so this is somewhere we need to be leading not following late.
  • Mick Humphreys
    signed 2013-12-20 09:50:38 +0000
    So that we can stop building unnecessary expensive houses on green field sites, such as is happening in Taunton and its surrounding villages when there is plenty of room on undeveloped brown field sites to meet the actual demand.

    Stop wasting money and time on mechanically inefficient wind turbines and tidal barrages and concentrate on making and using highly efficient marine current tidal turbines, which are at least 8 times more mechanically efficient and cost 100 times less to build, install and maintain. These have been proved to work in Carlingford Lough and we should stop trying to convince people that wind turbines work efficiently when they do not just because a lot of rich people have invested in them. They are comparatively useless and only work for about 30 percent of the time because of wind and weather damage. This does not happen to tidal turbines that are safely 20 to 40 metres below the winds and waves. Tides can be predicted. Winds cannot.
  • Arthur Bond
    signed 2013-12-20 09:44:44 +0000
    I am very much against increasing pollution,both in the air and in our oceans.

    the present state of what ,Naomi Klein calls ;Disaster Capitalism’ is incompatible with green policies.Until this is acknowledged I see little real hope of fundamental change.
  • Maureen Rigg
    signed 2013-12-20 09:30:46 +0000
    I want my grandchildren to have a world they can enjoy, not a barren wilderness laid waste through the continued abuse of non-renewable resources.
  • geof Kinns
    signed 2013-12-20 09:25:32 +0000
    We are faced with a denial of reality, which is actually a form of madness. Most political activity looks very much like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. When anyone says that raising material living standards in the UK must take priority over raising green standards it is as crazy as saying that having a better sun tan must have priority over avoiding skin cancer.

    As we are still stuck with the present voting system I would like to see more strategic and tactical co-operation between Lib Dems and The Green Party.
  • Islay MacLeod
    signed via 2013-12-20 09:24:25 +0000
    I hate the waste of money on these off and on-shore wind farms,; money which is piled onn to ordinary people’s electricity bills. Our communities are being wrecked by industrial installations on every hillside, damaging our tourist industry and the lives of people who live near them.

    I used to be a Lib-Dem member, but no more
  • John Howarth
    signed 2013-12-20 09:19:31 +0000
    When we are 95% certain we are causing serious damage by carbon emissions, the damage which is likely to cost at least 10 or more times the cost of prevention, only the extremely self deluded would want to carry on burning oil, coal and gas at the same rates. We can’t avoid the very inconvenient truth that we need to make serious attempts to reduce consumption and find other cleaner energy sources. Renewable energy is home grown, reduces our emissions and also our reliance on imported fuels from potentially unreliable sources; sources over which we have absolutely no cost control, as demonstrated by recent yearly hikes in gas and oil prices. Only the seriously self-deluded would consider pumping chemicals into the ground to extract shale gas and think that it won’t eventually contaminate our water and rivers.
  • Bill Colwell
    signed 2013-12-20 09:19:15 +0000
    Secure and affordable energy is a matter of deep national security. It is pathetic that policy and decision makers attack green investment and levies and SHIELD the shareholder mass that holds the majority in our population to ransom (aka treason). The Cameron comment has some truth given a full generation of fuzzy, dysfunctional development policy. There’s no resilience. The counter to Brundtland’s future proof advice has come to be. Green policy is never determined/ resilient enough to achieve its eloquent potential. NB: with energy requisition, it’s dangerous folly to misrepresent average household income in stats as something c£27,000. Disposable income (limited by fixed costs) indicates fuel poverty. Being warm (food quality) is what households must cut first.
  • Robert Stock
    signed 2013-12-20 09:12:57 +0000
    It is essential to plan long term and secure a viable future for our descendants. Failing to pursue a green agenda is guaranteed to condemn them to economic and social chaos. Also, the UK needs to be at the forefront of green policy if is to stay ahead of other countires in the situation that is developing.
  • John Hicks
    signed 2013-12-20 09:12:49 +0000
    We must produce our energy,in this country,with the smallest carbon footprint that is available to us. We then have the high moral ground and can then pressurise other countries to do likewise.Jobs are nice too. F.John Hicks
  • Marilyn Mason
    signed 2013-12-20 09:08:22 +0000
    I like “green crap” because doing something now about energy, carbon emissions, and environmental degradation could well work out cheaper, as well as better for us and our children and grandchildren, than leaving it until the planet overheats and we have a disaster or two…
  • Bruce A Hubbard
    signed 2013-12-20 08:52:19 +0000
    ‘Like’ is the wrong word. in fact it is measure of the cynical ignorance of those that speak in that way. The green is necessary, if we take the well-being of our grandchildren and their children at all seriously.
  • Kathryn Manning
    signed 2013-12-20 08:37:48 +0000
    Climate change is real and could have devastating effects. Biodiversity is being lost so rapidly – the web of life may only take so much.

    Short term thinking, selfishess and greed are laughable in the face of this. It’s like being in a plane that’s about to crash, and distracting the aircrew because your drink has been spilt!

    People are living in homes that they can’t afford to heat adequately. Worse, people are dying because they can’t afford to heat their homes. Those in poverty or fuel poverty need help.

    ‘Greenest government ever’ will need a new adjective if we ‘cut the green crap’.
  • George Zachary
    signed 2013-12-20 08:33:01 +0000
    We all have to do our bit to ensure that the world is a hospitable place to live and raise a family. The environment must be regulated by government because it is a public good that the free market, left to its own devices, would not be able to protect. It takes everyone doing little things well and often, as well as some big stakeholders (companies etc.) ensuring that they run a tight ship. I like “green crap” as you put it because it is necessary for the wellbeing of society. Those who don’t feel the same either underestimate its importance or assume that in a world of inequality the rich will be able to rise above any side-effects that result from letting the environment suffer. But the environment is the one thing we all must share. And doubters of enviro-importance would be well advised to muck in with the rest of us.

    I also support the green deal as it is an opportunity in the middle of a problem. An opportunity for growth, to grow a new industry utilising our heritage in science, design and innovation to provide new jobs and training to thousands of young persons keen to get on. This could just be the beginning of a burgeoning landscape of green enterprise, the likes of which, in years to come, we will wonder how we ever coped without it.

    The environment is our home, the knock on effects of environmental mismanagement are grossly underestimated and often forgotten or past onto the public purse. Rather than being an exterior, auxiliary, dispensable consideration for legislation, it should be at its core.
  • Roger Inkpen
    signed 2013-12-20 08:30:19 +0000
    Hey Nick, I’m a green LibDem NOT a Green! Those who complain about ‘big business’ being responsible for damage to the environment should take a look closer to home and address their own use of energy and wasteful consumption. Globalisation has brought the world much closer and yes it has created more demand for consumption but it is up to us as consumers to demand business is less wasteful. It is also up to us to reduce our own and our community’s effects on the environment.

    Nick, please support the campaign to give £10/head from the transport budget to cycling. And not for a year or two in certain towns as Labour and the coalition have done, but make it the rule!
  • Steve Blake
    signed 2013-12-20 08:23:27 +0000
    As long as the world is ruled by the rich for the rich it doesn’t really matter what I like or not… even now there are plans to burn more oil and gas while the meat industry emits more methane than the world can bear. Does anything anyone likes matter? I doubt it…
  • Mark Healey
    signed 2013-12-20 08:06:32 +0000
    I have three kids, I’d like them to grow up in a world that isn’t decimated by extremes of weather, underwater, on uninhabitable!
  • Mark Singleton
    signed 2013-12-20 08:01:10 +0000
    Because if the scientists are right (95% certain) then our planet & our children’s very existence depends on us significantly reducing our carbon emissions. In the unlikely event that they are wrong we will still have the benefit of a more pleasant, less polluted planet to live on. By using less fuel people will spend less so save money as well. It clearly is a win, win or a very bad lose choice. I think we should make much more use of solar power and local authorities should support not block this.
  • David Bird
    signed 2013-12-20 07:47:54 +0000
    Dear Ed

    I’ve worked in the Energy sector for many years including Renewables/Alternative Fuels/Offshore Wind etc. I’d really like to know what these 200,000 jobs actually are & where & what doing?

    Can you say with any certainty at this stage?
  • Clare Alderson
    signed 2013-12-20 07:30:19 +0000
    The environment should be of primary concern. If we do not have a healthy sustainable environment, then we cannot have a healthy society. Priority, or at least equality, should be given to the environment in every decision taken on transport, housing, education, immigration, business, to name a few. The UK is one of the poorest advocates for the environment in the world – let us be at the top, alongside Scandinavia and Germany, instead of floundering alongside the US. I believe in the natural environment above everything else.

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